Getting the kids to sign up

Doc Searls points out a campaign by the Army National Guard that is sure to have all the kids signing on the dotted line: Sign up to be signed up for the Army National Guard and get 3 Free Music Downloads from iTunes®!

Is the new Black Eyed Peas single really worth it?

No MU football on local TV makes Oncee a dull boy

Marshall athletic director Bob Marcum explains why you won't be seeing a Marshall football game on local TV anytime soon.

I can't find College Sports Television (CSTV) on Charter Charleston. Maybe I'm missing it.

Update CSTV - College Sports Television is on channel 317 here in Charleston.

We don't need another money pit

Photo Credit: http://www.theclaycenter.org/

“There are always people who are going to say ‘No. Can’t. Against.’ They said it about the Clay Center and the ballpark,” Jones said. “They don’t have any alternatives. I want to see what we’re for here.”

- Charleston Mayor Danny Jones a plan to narrow Kanawha Boulevard to two lanes.

If it's going to be as much as a money pit as the Clay Center or the ballpark, I say no.

Today is my birthday

Thanks to everyone who sent cards, money, and well wishes.

Judith Miller has been freed

According to CNN, she reached a deal in which she received "a personal and voluntary waiver directly from her source encouraging her to provide evidence."

Apple acknowledges flaw in iPod Nano

Apple says they will replace iPod Nano screen. It took them days to admit there was a problem.

A company representative said that the issue was a manufacturing, rather than a design problem, and said it affected less than one-tenth of 1 percent of all the Nanos that have shipped so far.

What is Web 2.0?

It depends on who you ask.

DYI iPod nano fix with a $4 can of Brasso

Todd Dailey: Restore your iPod nano to new condition with a $4 can of Brasso

Apple ][ on the PlayStation Portable on the PSP

This is pretty cool.

The New Cliche

WSJ columnist Jeremy Wagstaff: "It's the Wikipedia of..."

The truth about redheads

Raging Red says she is a mutant.

West Virginia Sock Monkey: Washington Post here I come

West Virginia Sock Monkey tries to get a link from the Washington Post by linking to one of there stories. It appears the Washington Post has no love for sock monkeys, and Surber gets not one, but two link backs.

Uncle Dave's list of search tools

Uncle Dave has a cool list of search tools. I haven't played with many of these.

Donate $100 to Katina relief, get a call from Brian WIlson

Boing Boing: Katrina: Donate $100, get a call from Brian WIlson

I hope he's using VOIP or his phone bill will be sky high.

Four day work week

The West Virginia Department of Agriculture is moving to a four day work week. I don' t have a link to the story. It was just on WSAZ. My girlfriend starts a four day work week next week. She works at a private company related to WV state government.

The idea is to cut gas cost for staff. They work 10 hours a day for four days. The office is still open five days. It's an interesting idea. I walk to work so gas prices don't affect me much.

Getting Dooced

For the record, I love my job and I love the people I work with. Yet for those who hate their job, their blogs continue to serve as a place to rant and bitch. This is an very bad idea as one NYC publicist found out.

iTunes for Windows Mobile 5

Schrankmonster got a hold of a copy of Apple iTunes for Windows Mobile 5, and it looks pretty darn cool.

So if I get Windows Moblile on my Treo, does that mean I can have iTunes on it?

Treo Timeline

Treo: From Palm to PocketPC timeline from Pocket PC Thoughts

I wonder if I can hack PocketPC into my Treo 600.

Haloscan commenting and trackback have been added to this blog.

Tommy Hilfiger finds love at Wal-Mart

Jossip reports Tommy Hilfiger is for sale and Wal-Mart wants to buy it. It's a sad day for metrosexuals everywhere.

WV Power Webcam

West Virginia Power baseball stadium

Interesting feed, but it's not like you could watch a baseball game on it.

Free Lectures

Fellow WV blogger Michael over at WV Mountain Home's the Daily Rant notes two free Teaching Company lectures on the DaVinci Code are available for fee download until Oct. 1.

Happy Birthday Large Tech Company

Google turns 7th today. I didn't know Google had the same birthday as my sister.
Happy birthday also to Jason Kottke.

Microsoft turned 30 on Sept 25th.

Raging Red: A series of unfortunate events

Raging Red cuts the end of her thumb off, slips into unconsciousness, and lives to tell the tale.

Web 2.0

Dave Winer says Web 2.0 is really simple. I'm still trying to figure it out. Dave points to this visual aid from Tim O'Reilly that helps.

Blawgs: A primer LexBlog's Kevin O'Keefe

LexBlog Blog : Blawgs : What are they? How do they work?

How do blawgs work? Lawyers publish short posts of content focused on a niche area of the law on an easy to use Web publishing tool. The result is that the content is easily found on the search engines when Internet users in the lawyer's target audience are looking for legal information and/or a lawyer. Better yet, good content on blawgs (I hate that word) is written about on other blogs having the obvious effect of identifying the lawyer as an expert in a particular area of law or in a particular locale.

More on the Treo sans Palm OS

Alex Scoble has a follow-up on the new Palm OS Treo New Treo to run Windows...Hell freezing over? Yes, but that's a good thing, right.

Found: Another West Virginia Blogger

My girlfriend pointed me to Mysterysteps.com - Terry Estep's Home on the Web. Terry is from Parkersburg and calls himself, "... a 30-year-old gay atheist."

The Treo sans Palm OS

The Palm Treo 700w (aka Treo 670) will ship without the Palm OS. It will run Windows Mobile. Engadget has an exclusive first look.

Some of you might want to check and update your blogrolls

Donutbuzz and Blackpetal closed their blogs a few weeks ago. I just checked their old urls and DonutBuzz domain doesn't go anywhere and http://www.backpetal.blogspot.com/ now points to a porn spam blog. Many of you are still pointing to Blackpetal's old blog space, and I thought you would want to know.

West Virginians for a Republican Majority

I just found this blog, West Virginians for a Republican Majority via Free Market Mountaineer.

Google Wants to Secure Your Wireless Network

Google Pulls The Other Leg With Secure Access

Following the Web Accelerator debacle, Google wants another crack at your entire internet traffic. This time, its through the Google Secure Access client.

Located at wifi.google.com, GSA connects you to a Google-run Virtual Private Network. Your internet traffic becomes encrypted when you send it out, decrypted by Google, the requested data downloaded by Google, encrypted and sent to you, and decrypted on your machine. This has the effect of protecting your traffic data from others who may want to access it.

Related Links:
Marc Abramowitz: Google Secure
Om Malik: Google to launch a Secure WiFi tool

Intel Macs by June 2006

Mac Rumors reports,Apple On Track to Ship Intel Macs by June 2006.

"We are on track to do that," Jobs told a news conference in Paris, referring to the plan the company announced in June this year.

I guess I should start saving my money now.

Return to the Moon, Part 2

Here's today's New York Times story on NASA return to the moon: NASA Planning Return to Moon Within 13 Years

Related Post: Oncee@Blogger: I think I saw this movie once before...

Don Blankenship Kingmaker

Don Surber: Don Blankenship keeps getting even

I fear I'm watching Blankenship postion himself for a run for governor. Then West Virginia will truly be in the pockets of a coal barren.

Related Story:

DEP orders Massey operation to shut down after slurry spill

Sorry to report

Maisyday at THE SINGLE LIFE..... is a WV blogger no more.

I think I saw this movie once before...

...in the 60s.

CNN.com - NASA unveils moon program

I wonder how many deadlines will be missed and how many billions will be wasted? Don't get me wrong. The space missions are great, but I just don't trust NASA.

Who you gonna call?

The Truth Laid Bear

Don Surber is already on the case: Pork Busters! (I Ain't Afraid Of No Pork)

Via Instapundit.com

Free Market Mountaineer

I've found another West Virginia blogger: Free Market Mountaineer via Don Surber.

Talk Like A Pirate Day

Yes today was TalkLikeAPirateDay. No I didn't Talk Like A Pirate today. Never really understood what this day was all about anyway.

Mothman makes BoingBoing

Boing Boing: Mothman Festival

Point Pleasant, West Virginia just hosted its annual Mothman Festival, a celebration of the creepy cryptid that some claim visited the town in the mid-1960s and brought a trail of Fortean weirdness with it. The first festival took place in 2002 after the release of The Mothman Prophecies film, based loosely on John Keel's classic 1975 book.

Mac OS X-Tiger Scrollbar Problem

Stacey at 4haks has a Tiger scrollbar problem he wonders any one else has seen. I'm no help. I'm still using 10.3.

Anglican bloggers

My friend Brian the Attorney send me this list of Anglican bloggers after seeing my list of Episcopal bloggers.

Midwest Conservative Journal

CaNN - We started it

ECUSA Dollars - Just here to watch where the dollars go in the Episcopal Church U.S.A. A.K.A. Follow the Money

VirtueOnline-The Voice for Global Orthodox Anglicanism

Wannabe Newbie Anglican

Yahoo Cache Now Offers Direct Links to Wayback Machine

Yahoo Cache Now Offers Direct Links to Wayback Machine: "It appears that Yahoo has joined Gigablast and Clusty and is now providing direct links to "archived" versions of pages via The Internet Archive's Wayback Machine."

Geek bloggers post less on the weekend

Gabe Rivera, the guy would build Memeorandum says tech bloggers tend to take the weekend off, while political bloggers keep on posting.

Episcopal Bloggers

The number of Episcopal bloggers amaze me.

Here's a short list:

• The Rev. AKMA's Random Thoughts
• Trevor's Limature
• Micah's - 'St. Jerome's' Library
• The Rev. Jeff's View From the Sacristy
• The Rev. Susie's Neuva Cantora
• The Rev. Anglobaptist's Navel Gazing
• The Rev. Jane's Musings
• Reverent Reffing
• Jim's Daily Gospel Insights
• Frank's Interstitiality
• The Rev. Heather's Ramblings
• Wes' Dawg Days
• Beth is Wide Eyed and Laughing
• Debra's Turtle on Wheels
• The Archer of the Forest
• The Rev. Dave the Kanite
• The Rev. Salty Vicar
• Cliff's Revolutions Around the Cruciform Axis
• K's All Things Not Considered
• BrotherBeal's Confessions of a Budding Twixter
• Sarah's Quesra
• CTA Tattler
• Brooke's Battez-Vous
• Raisin's Salutation
• Laurel's Highway
• Dancing on the Head of a Pin
• A New Life Emerging
• Ordinary Time
• All Too Common
• They Will Know Us By Our T-Shirts
• Scotty's ATL to Columbus
• George's Not Rocket Scientist
• Brad's Virtual Sketches
• Scott or Not
• Carol's Salted Lemon

This list is taken from the blogroll at Everyday Faith.

Cross-Platform Firefox On A USB Stick Now Available

For a while now there has been a Windows version and a Mac verions of Firefox on a USB stick. Now there is a cross-platform version. You will need 37.4 megabytes of free space.

BeOS isn't dead yet

Slashdot reports BeOS Lives on in the Form of Zeta. I'd try it if they had a free version. There is an old copy of BeOS lying around my office, but I'm not sure the hardware is lying around anywhere. It requires some ancient stuff.

Slurpee <---Homer Simpson voice

The Slurpee turns 40.

Wikipedia has a Slurpee page for all the Slurpee facts.

* The difference between a Slurpee and a Slush Puppie is the carbonation.
* 7-Eleven's licensed the drink from ICEE in 1967

Doc on Google Blog Search

Doc Searls takes a look at Google's new blog seach engine in his latest SuitWatch.

Wireless iPod Headphones

I've been wanting wireless iPod headphones for a while. Looks like they might be on the way soon.

Revolution Controller Revealed

The Revolution Controller has been revealed. It looks like a remote. I don't see why everyone thinks this thing is so cool. Ok it is cordless, but...

Terrible Twos

del.icio.us turned two years old yesterday.

The Interdictor needs a new job

The Interdictor is getting ready to move on.

Michael Barnett who has provided some of the finest blogging from inside NO for the past few weeks says:

I expect to be out of Outpost Crystal in 4 to 8 days or so, and in Florida within 2 weeks -- all subject to change of course. Then I have to find a job. If you've got a lead for me, please hit me up at OperationN@yahoo.com. Keep in mind, however, that I'm not an IT professional! I have some computer skills, but it's mostly informal. I'm a quick learner though.

Fine geeky fun

Stacey at 4haks has a link to a Super Mario Brothers clone written entirely in JavaScript.

Google Blog Search

I know I'm behind on my blogging. And I'm way behind on pointing out Google Blog Search. The results are interesting. It is a very good way to search topics. It's not so good at looking at who is linking to you.

It's a small blogosphere after all

I just looked at the Memeorandum front page for Politics, and there is our old friend Don Surber.

Memeorandum-like tool I envision

I'd like to see a tool like Memeorandum for rss feeds. You could then build a page for each topic. For example, I have my Bloglines feeds in folders. With this Memeorandum-like tool I envision, you could make each folder a page, then view all the feeds in that folder on one page. It would make skimming rss content a lot easier.

News from blogs on one page

Read/Write Web: New-look Memeorandum launched

I looked at it this morning. It's a news site much in the tradition of Slashdot or the New York Times, but the content is all blogs all the time. It could be called the best of blogs, if the name wasn't already taken. I can see how this could be a great tool for bloggers: skim one page to see what the a-list bloggers are talking about in a few seconds. Great idea.

One Stack Mind

I've found another West Virginia blogger: One Stack Mind

620 songs and counting

The iPod nano looks cool, but it only hold 2GB (500 songs) and 4GB (1,000) songs. I looked to see how many songs are on my 3rd generation iPod for kicks. I own 620 songs. A new iPod nano would cost me $249 at the Apple Store and would make my new iTrip useless. I think I will wait.

Jeff Jarvis goes back to school

Jeff Jarvis is joining the faculty of the new graduate school of journalism at City University of New York and heading up the new media program.

I wonder how many bloggers there are currently J-school faculty as well. I bet at my alma mater there are zero.

The father of RSS defines RSS

Scripting News: 9/11/2005

BTW, when people ask what RSS is, I say it's automated web surfing. We took something lots of people do, visiting sites looking for new stuff, and automated it. It's a very predictable thing, that's what computers do -- automate repetitive things.

Gartner: Linux 'five years away from mainstream use'

ZDNet Asis reports Gartner is saying open source is still 'five years away from mainstream use' in the enterprise and far behind in the desktop market:

Open source is still up to five years away from mainstream use in enterprise IT infrastructures, despite the progress made in the commercialisation of the platform, according to analyst Gartner.

Gartner's latest Linux 'hype cycle' report shows that open source is halfway to maturity but warns the biggest test will be whether it can demonstrate the necessary performance and security to function as a data centre server for mission-critical applications.

Leading-edge businesses are generally still in the early stages of Linux deployments but Gartner expects increased commercialisation and improved storage and systems management for the operating system by the end of 2005, with Linux being used primarily for WebSphere and infrastructure applications on mainframes and web services on blades and racks.

With IBM pushing Linux on the mainframe the enterprise is installing Linux pretty fast. The real test is the the rate of new mainframe sales and the ability of mass storage vendors such of EMC to support Linux. I was told by an EMC engineer earlier this year that EMC is up for the task.

PalmSource sold to Japanese company

The sell of PalmSource have many wondering about the fate of the PalmOS, and has me wondering about the fate of the Treo.

I want my [adult swim]

Hate how [adult swim] isn't on Friday nights? The fine folks at Williams Street are will begin "streaming video of Adult Swim original comedies between 11 p.m.-6 a.m. (EST) each Friday night."

4haks

4haks is another West Virginia blogger, and a geek blogger. I like geek bloggers.

Katrina cover-up

Jeff Jarvis says: "After every scandal comes the coverup. Katrina is a scandal. The cover-up is underway. Read Brian Williams’ blog..."

FEMA asks media not to photograph the dead

U.S. agency blocks photos of New Orleans dead

NEW ORLEANS, Sept 6 (Reuters) - The U.S. government agency leading the rescue efforts after Hurricane Katrina said on Tuesday it does not want the news media to take photographs of the dead as they are recovered from the flooded New Orleans area.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency, heavily criticized for its slow response to the devastation caused by the hurricane, rejected requests from journalists to accompany rescue boats as they went out to search for storm victims.

An agency spokeswoman said space was needed on the rescue boats and that "the recovery of the victims is being treated with dignity and the utmost respect."

"We have requested that no photographs of the deceased be made by the media," the spokeswoman said in an e-mailed response to a Reuters inquiry.

The Bush administration also has prevented the news media from photographing flag-draped caskets of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, which has sparked criticism that the government is trying to block images that put the war in a bad light.

Right city, wrong state

CNN.com - Right city, wrong state - Sep 6, 2005: "FEMA accused of flying evacuees to wrong Charleston"

(CNN) -- Add geography to the growing list of FEMA fumbles.

A South Carolina health official said his colleagues scrambled Tuesday when FEMA gave only a half-hour notice to prepare for the arrival of a plane carrying as many as 180 evacuees to Charleston.

But the plane, instead, landed in Charleston, West Virginia, 400 miles away.

Someone should tell FEMA there is a Charleston, WV.

Do links equal traffic?

I got another link via Doc Searls on June 1. I need to go back and check the traffic. Don Suber and Rick Lee got links too.

Doc says:

People tell me the number counts here have to be low. (One blogger tells me, "My blog gets five thousand visits a day. How could yours only get half of that or less?) Maybe because it's not as popular as some people like to think.

There are two main audience measures in radio ratings: Average Quarter Hour (AQH) and Cume. One measures current listening, the other measures cumulative listening.

Since this blog has been in one place for a long time (5.5 years), and it's been pointed at a lot by sources that mostly haven't moved, it has accumulated a lot of inbound links. That's what puts it at #18 in the Technorati Top 100. That's a very nice Cume.

But the daily count has run from a few hundred to a few thousand ever since I started looking, about five years ago. That's a lot more than most, but a lot less than quite a few. In other words, the AQH is respectable, but not A-list, by a long shot. That's confirmed by Bloglines' current Top 200.

Which is fine with me. In fact, I like it that way. I'd rather the blog be a respectable resource than popular "desination."

Thanks Doc for the link. I'll take your blog over Glenn Reynolds' any day of the week.

FEMA blocking refugees from traveling to WV

Every local news station and the AP missed the real story tonight. FEMA has taken over the movement of refugees, and five West Virginia Air National Guard plane are on the ground, empty in Texas, because FEMA can't get its act together.

The AP reports 177 refugees have made the trip to West Virginia. WSAZ reports 208. A number of them are being treated in Charleston hospitals. Governor Joe Manchin has agreed to accept up to 500 people. They will be housed in barracks at Camp Dawson. The AP reports, "Three of the planes are in Houston and two are in San Antonio."

Now that FEMA has started the red tape machine, C-130s sit empty. They hope to make the trip tommorow.

Here is the complete text of the AP article, because I can' link to it:

Planes delayed bringing Katrina victims to W.Va.
September 05, 2005 7:41 PM

CHARLESTON, W.Va.

State officials say chaotic conditions with trying to get Hurricane Katrina refugees on aircraft is delaying efforts to fly them to West Virginia.

Three West Virginia Air National Guard C-130 cargo planes were expected to arrive today, but Governor Manchin's spokeswoman Lara Ramsburg says the flights probably won't make it to West Virginia until tomorrow.

Ramsburg says the Air Guard has five planes in Texas waiting to bring people to West Virginia. Three of the planes are in Houston and two are in San Antonio.

So far, 177 refugees have made the trip to West Virginia.

The people were processed at the Air National Guard base in Charleston and then bused to Camp Dawson in Preston County, about three-and-a-half-hours away.

Governor Manchin has said West Virginia has agreed to accept up to 500 people.

All 500 will be housed in barracks at Camp Dawson.

Update: This story ran in today's Charleston Gazette. Looks like the Gazette didn't miss the story.

The governor of Texas has asked other states to take Hurricane Katrina refugees. Camp Dawson in Preston County has plenty of room, and West Virginia Air National Guard transport planes are in Houston, ready to go.

But between early Sunday and Monday evening, no refugees were allowed to board.

Why? Federal officials took over the Texas evacuation Sunday night, and then the flow of refugees stopped, said Lara Ramsburg, spokeswoman for Gov. Joe Manchin.

Power from the people

Doc Searls:: "The shift from War on Terror to War on Error will be a literally democratic one."

Recovery 2.0

BuzzMachine Recovery 2.0: A call to convene: “the internet is our emergency broadcast network”.

Annoucement

Starting today, all Google and Amazon.com ad revenue from Oncee@Blogger and Law Firm IT will be donated to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund.

Unlike other bloggers a do not make my living blogging. It's just extra money.

Please give to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund.

Link blogging via del.icio.us

I've had trouble updating my blogs on Blogger. If you want to follow my link blogging this today go here to see my del.icio.us bookmarks and tags.

War on Error

Doc Searls calls the Katrina Scandal the War on Error.

WV Tech Firm Gathers and Archives Storm Data

Sunday Gazette-Mail : "Fairmont firm gathers, archives storm data"

Although employees at a Fairmont science and technology firm were 1,000 miles north of New Orleans, their work placed them right in the eye of the storm this week.

Forty employees at TMC Technologies and its three state subcontractors gather and archive weather data from four satellites around the globe under a federal contract from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Rehnquist has died

CNN and the AP are reporting Chief Justice William Rehnquist died Saturday at age 80.

Lists of lists of the missing

BuzzMachine: Lists of lists of the missing

The French Quarter, Bourbon Street and many other famous spots not under water

HoustonChronicle.com : "Some Big Easy landmarks escape damage"

Who's in charge?

BuzzMachine - No one is in charge: "Katrina is a scandal more profound than any ‘gate. It isn’t about cheating or lying or ideology or infighting. It is a scandal of incompetence."

Trent Lott to get new porch

President Arrives in Alabama, Briefed on Hurricane Katrina: "We've got a lot of rebuilding to do. First, we're going to save lives and stabilize the situation. And then we're going to help these communities rebuild. The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch. (Laughter.)"

Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050902-2.html

Chertoff Clueless

Jeff Jarvis reports: "Homeland Security boss Chertoff just said regarding the slow move-up of military to New Orleans: 'We don’t ask them to pack up in 24 hours unless it’s a real emergency.' Incredible."

Comprehensive list of charities

Glenn Reynolds has a comprehensive list of charities to which you can donate.

Katrina: It's Not Just The Media -- The Frustration "Goes To The Core"

TVNewser brings us this conversation with Katrina victim Trent Lott, as told to Anderson Cooper.

"I talked to a politician today, a senator, and he's very nice and I respect a lot of what he's doing. He has suffered personally a loss in this. But I asked him, you know, were resources deployed to Iraq that, if they weren't deployed to Iraq, would they be here? And he said, That's just a question the media is asking.

And you know, I actually said to him, You know what? That's not a question the media is asking, that's a question Charles Kierney, a guy who came up to me today white-hot with anger, whose home has been destroyed-- that's the question he wanted me to ask.

You know people are just frustrated they're not getting answers, and I get that. And you know what? It's not even frustration, it's anger. You know, people aren't frustrated. A lot of politicians will tell you, Well, you know, I understand the frustration of people here.

People aren't frustrated, people are dying. People are dead and people are dying in New Orleans, and that's not-- you know, it goes much deeper than frustration, it goes to the core."

The Rail: Are CNN and Fox covering the same disaster?

This blogger wonders.

We really have seen the gloves come off at Fox and MSNBC since Thursday. The finger pointing has started.

Get your free credit report now

AnnualCreditReport. I got a copy of mine on Sept. 1, just to make sure all my info was correct. The bad news is it doesn't include credit scores.

The good, the bad, the let's-shoot-them-now

Peggy Noonan grades the governors, President Bush, the media, rescuers, and bloggers in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

In February I wrote that bloggers will help get America through a national crisis. They just did. Nothing has the immediacy and believability of local reports by citizen journalists living through a local story. Terry Teachout performed a public service linking to Katrina blogs; Glenn Reynolds offered links to relief organizations. The Times Picayune's live-blogging has been solid. Local bloggers were great until they started losing electric power and couldn't send anymore. Mr. Teachout told me at the end they were blogging by BlackBerry. As power comes back the greatest blogging should begin--what it was like, what the recovery is like, what is happening on the streets. Thanks in advance.

Donate To The Red Cross via Amazon.com

Amazon.com, the only company I trust with my credit card number has placed a Donate To The Red Cross link on their front page.

I gave $5.00 and challenge all other bloggers to do the same. This small amount will add up if everyone does it.